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[jrgen_schrader]

While I recently visited the construction site of a climbing hall which I am documenting for our local Alpenverein (www.bavaria360.de/dav) these guys had start to build the concrete walls and there were all these bright colours in our fall-sun at noon ... I couldn't resist and luckily I carried my 4-shooter with me ;)

http://bavaria360.de/dav/101029_2.html

Boy, I couldn't imagine how many things can move in such a short time, hehe. And yes, I know, next time I'll better take care of my shadows ;)

Enjoy
Jürgen

[Ricardo TVB]

Very nice pano. I didn't see any ghost but the pano seems a
little misaligned to me.

Thanks for sharing,

Ricardo.



Em 31/10/2010 16:53, jrgen_schrader escreveu:

>
> While I recently visited the construction site of a
> climbing hall which I am documenting for our local
> Alpenverein (www.bavaria360.de/dav) these guys had start
> to build the concrete walls and there were all these
> bright colours in our fall-sun at noon ... I couldn't
> resist and luckily I carried my 4-shooter with me ;)
>
> http://bavaria360.de/dav/101029_2.html
>
> Boy, I couldn't imagine how many things can move in such a
> short time, hehe. And yes, I know, next time I'll better
> take care of my shadows ;)
>
> Enjoy
> Jürgen
>
>

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[texas360dave]

Nice panorama.

Where is the Safety Engineer ?

Safety Issues: Men not wearing hard hats, No handrails. Walk board needs toe rails.

Men are not wearing fall protection devices.
1 Man are wearing tennis shoes.  
Other man maybe wearing steel toe boots not sure.

Men near the crane are not wearing hard hats.  Jobsite signage should have fence signs saying "Hard Hat Area".

Vertical reinforcement rod pointing upwards do not have protective caps.

Do not see industrial fire extinguisher.  It might be hiding.

Construction site needs clean up.  Do not see a portable toilet.

Really nice panorama.  Good Job! LOLLL  You might show it to the contractors safety inspector.

--- In [hidden email], "jrgen_schrader" <panorama@...> wrote:

>
> While I recently visited the construction site of a climbing hall which I am documenting for our local Alpenverein (www.bavaria360.de/dav) these guys had start to build the concrete walls and there were all these bright colours in our fall-sun at noon ... I couldn't resist and luckily I carried my 4-shooter with me ;)
>
> http://bavaria360.de/dav/101029_2.html
>
> Boy, I couldn't imagine how many things can move in such a short time, hehe. And yes, I know, next time I'll better take care of my shadows ;)
>
> Enjoy
> Jürgen
>

[Jeffrey Martin | 360Cities.net]

Dave,

It's Germany, not Texas. In Germany, men are men ;-)))



--- In [hidden email], "texas360dave" <texas360dave@...> wrote:

>
> Nice panorama.
>
> Where is the Safety Engineer ?
>
> Safety Issues: Men not wearing hard hats, No handrails. Walk board needs toe rails.
>
> Men are not wearing fall protection devices.
> 1 Man are wearing tennis shoes.  
> Other man maybe wearing steel toe boots not sure.
>
> Men near the crane are not wearing hard hats.  Jobsite signage should have fence signs saying "Hard Hat Area".
>
> Vertical reinforcement rod pointing upwards do not have protective caps.
>
> Do not see industrial fire extinguisher.  It might be hiding.
>
> Construction site needs clean up.  Do not see a portable toilet.
>
> Really nice panorama.  Good Job! LOLLL  You might show it to the contractors safety inspector.
>
> --- In [hidden email], "jrgen_schrader" <panorama@> wrote:
> >
> > While I recently visited the construction site of a climbing hall which I am documenting for our local Alpenverein (www.bavaria360.de/dav) these guys had start to build the concrete walls and there were all these bright colours in our fall-sun at noon ... I couldn't resist and luckily I carried my 4-shooter with me ;)
> >
> > http://bavaria360.de/dav/101029_2.html
> >
> > Boy, I couldn't imagine how many things can move in such a short time, hehe. And yes, I know, next time I'll better take care of my shadows ;)
> >
> > Enjoy
> > Jürgen
> >
>

[Willy Kaemena]

Hi Texas Dave

all of your concerns are valid and  also the rule in Germany. Unfortunately you see these  behaviors  still quite often on small construction sites and in small companies, where the safety  awareness is still not on the required level.
And yes  a panorama is the ideal media to see ALL of these deficiencies and it is easy to spot and point to them.

For Jürgen: this could be a new business model  selling  panos for improving the safety on small  construction sites.

Willy




On Nov 2, 2010, at 9:50, prague wrote:

>
> Dave,
>
> It's Germany, not Texas. In Germany, men are men ;-)))
>
> --- In [hidden email], "texas360dave" <texas360dave@...> wrote:
> >
> > Nice panorama.
> >
> > Where is the Safety Engineer ?
> >
> > Safety Issues: Men not wearing hard hats, No handrails. Walk board needs toe rails.
> >
> > Men are not wearing fall protection devices.
> > 1 Man are wearing tennis shoes.
> > Other man maybe wearing steel toe boots not sure.
> >
> > Men near the crane are not wearing hard hats. Jobsite signage should have fence signs saying "Hard Hat Area".
> >
> > Vertical reinforcement rod pointing upwards do not have protective caps.
> >
> > Do not see industrial fire extinguisher. It might be hiding.
> >
> > Construction site needs clean up. Do not see a portable toilet.
> >
> > Really nice panorama. Good Job! LOLLL You might show it to the contractors safety inspector.
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "jrgen_schrader" <panorama@> wrote:
> > >
> > > While I recently visited the construction site of a climbing hall which I am documenting for our local Alpenverein (www.bavaria360.de/dav) these guys had start to build the concrete walls and there were all these bright colours in our fall-sun at noon ... I couldn't resist and luckily I carried my 4-shooter with me ;)
> > >
> > > http://bavaria360.de/dav/101029_2.html
> > >
> > > Boy, I couldn't imagine how many things can move in such a short time, hehe. And yes, I know, next time I'll better take care of my shadows ;)
> > >
> > > Enjoy
> > > Jürgen
> > >
> >
>
> _,___

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[PanoToolsNG.10.m8]

Of course you could be shooting yourself in the foot.

Small construction sites (or any others for that matter) may then be
reluctant to let people on their site to take photos in future.

Cheers,
Darren.

)-----Original Message-----
)From: Willy Kaemena
)
)Hi Texas Dave
)
)all of your concerns are valid and  also the rule in Germany.
)Unfortunately you see these  behaviors  still quite often on
)small construction sites and in small companies, where the
)safety  awareness is still not on the required level.
)And yes  a panorama is the ideal media to see ALL of these
)deficiencies and it is easy to spot and point to them.
)
)For Jürgen: this could be a new business model  selling  panos
)for improving the safety on small  construction sites.
)
)Willy
)

[jrgen_schrader]

Yep, you are all right and when I thought of climbing up there I checked for possible restrictions and when I saw these guys even not wearing hardhats I was sure they wouldn't cuase me trouble :)

Regarding the new business I am sure one would make a LOT more money if he approaches these companies for NOT publishing such images. ^^

Jürgen


--- In [hidden email], Willy Kaemena <panokaemena@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Texas Dave
>
> all of your concerns are valid and  also the rule in Germany. Unfortunately you see these  behaviors  still quite often on small construction sites and in small companies, where the safety  awareness is still not on the required level.
> And yes  a panorama is the ideal media to see ALL of these deficiencies and it is easy to spot and point to them.
>
> For Jürgen: this could be a new business model  selling  panos for improving the safety on small  construction sites.
>
> Willy
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 2, 2010, at 9:50, prague wrote:
>
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > It's Germany, not Texas. In Germany, men are men ;-)))
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "texas360dave" <texas360dave@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nice panorama.
> > >
> > > Where is the Safety Engineer ?
> > >
> > > Safety Issues: Men not wearing hard hats, No handrails. Walk board needs toe rails.
> > >
> > > Men are not wearing fall protection devices.
> > > 1 Man are wearing tennis shoes.
> > > Other man maybe wearing steel toe boots not sure.
> > >
> > > Men near the crane are not wearing hard hats. Jobsite signage should have fence signs saying "Hard Hat Area".
> > >
> > > Vertical reinforcement rod pointing upwards do not have protective caps.
> > >
> > > Do not see industrial fire extinguisher. It might be hiding.
> > >
> > > Construction site needs clean up. Do not see a portable toilet.
> > >
> > > Really nice panorama. Good Job! LOLLL You might show it to the contractors safety inspector.
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "jrgen_schrader" <panorama@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > While I recently visited the construction site of a climbing hall which I am documenting for our local Alpenverein (www.bavaria360.de/dav) these guys had start to build the concrete walls and there were all these bright colours in our fall-sun at noon ... I couldn't resist and luckily I carried my 4-shooter with me ;)
> > > >
> > > > http://bavaria360.de/dav/101029_2.html
> > > >
> > > > Boy, I couldn't imagine how many things can move in such a short time, hehe. And yes, I know, next time I'll better take care of my shadows ;)
> > > >
> > > > Enjoy
> > > > Jürgen
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > _,___
>
>
>
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>

[Matt Smith-11]

I was thinking the same thing. The business model might be best if it  
was "Not to Publish".

Matt Smith
PhotoSpherix
317.396.5791
360 Product Photography
Indianapolis, Indiana USA
http://www.photospherix.com

On Nov 2, 2010, at 7:20 AM, jrgen_schrader wrote:

> Yep, you are all right and when I thought of climbing up there I  
> checked for possible restrictions and when I saw these guys even not  
> wearing hardhats I was sure they wouldn't cuase me trouble :)
>
> Regarding the new business I am sure one would make a LOT more money  
> if he approaches these companies for NOT publishing such images. ^^
>
> Jürgen
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Willy Kaemena <panokaemena@...>  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Texas Dave
>>
>> all of your concerns are valid and  also the rule in Germany.  
>> Unfortunately you see these  behaviors  still quite often on small  
>> construction sites and in small companies, where the safety  
>> awareness is still not on the required level.
>> And yes  a panorama is the ideal media to see ALL of these  
>> deficiencies and it is easy to spot and point to them.
>>
>> For Jürgen: this could be a new business model  selling  panos for  
>> improving the safety on small  construction sites.
>>
>> Willy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2010, at 9:50, prague wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> It's Germany, not Texas. In Germany, men are men ;-)))
>>>
>>> --- In [hidden email], "texas360dave" <texas360dave@>  
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nice panorama.
>>>>
>>>> Where is the Safety Engineer ?
>>>>
>>>> Safety Issues: Men not wearing hard hats, No handrails. Walk  
>>>> board needs toe rails.
>>>>
>>>> Men are not wearing fall protection devices.
>>>> 1 Man are wearing tennis shoes.
>>>> Other man maybe wearing steel toe boots not sure.
>>>>
>>>> Men near the crane are not wearing hard hats. Jobsite signage  
>>>> should have fence signs saying "Hard Hat Area".
>>>>
>>>> Vertical reinforcement rod pointing upwards do not have  
>>>> protective caps.
>>>>
>>>> Do not see industrial fire extinguisher. It might be hiding.
>>>>
>>>> Construction site needs clean up. Do not see a portable toilet.
>>>>
>>>> Really nice panorama. Good Job! LOLLL You might show it to the  
>>>> contractors safety inspector.
>>>>
>>>> --- In [hidden email], "jrgen_schrader" <panorama@>  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> While I recently visited the construction site of a climbing  
>>>>> hall which I am documenting for our local Alpenverein (www.bavaria360.de/dav)
>>>>>  these guys had start to build the concrete walls and there were  
>>>>> all these bright colours in our fall-sun at noon ... I couldn't  
>>>>> resist and luckily I carried my 4-shooter with me ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://bavaria360.de/dav/101029_2.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Boy, I couldn't imagine how many things can move in such a short  
>>>>> time, hehe. And yes, I know, next time I'll better take care of  
>>>>> my shadows ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Enjoy
>>>>> Jürgen
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _,___
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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[Bostjan Burger]

I believe that the safety rules are much more strickt in EU than in US. My
younger brother went to US to work in a construction company, that was 15 years
ago. He was 18 years old and he didn't need to work for a money but for the
experience. He was very dissapointed with the safety and working conditions in
US in general. Even he had not much experience he worked on a hi altitude and on
-20°C. For him the experinece was as coming from the 1st World to 4th World. He
was in Brazil later and working there was much more safer.
I have been following the construction work in several places and documenting it
with VRs. I got a permition only when I agreed to wear a helmet, but the use of
helmets was not always strict as it was not always needed...he is the set of
VRs: http://www.burger.si/DOGODKI/2009_MesarskiMost/seznam.html.


Bostjan





________________________________
From: prague <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 9:50:58 AM
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Action ... no fall protection

 

Dave,

It's Germany, not Texas. In Germany, men are men ;-)))

--- In [hidden email], "texas360dave" <texas360dave@...> wrote:

>
> Nice panorama.
>
> Where is the Safety Engineer ?
>
> Safety Issues: Men not wearing hard hats, No handrails. Walk board needs toe
>rails.
>
>
> Men are not wearing fall protection devices.
> 1 Man are wearing tennis shoes.
> Other man maybe wearing steel toe boots not sure.
>
> Men near the crane are not wearing hard hats.  Jobsite signage should have
>fence signs saying "Hard Hat Area".
>
> Vertical reinforcement rod pointing upwards do not have protective caps.
>
> Do not see industrial fire extinguisher.  It might be hiding.
>
> Construction site needs clean up.  Do not see a portable toilet.
>
> Really nice panorama.  Good Job! LOLLL  You might show it to the contractors
>safety inspector.
>
> --- In [hidden email], "jrgen_schrader" <panorama@> wrote:
> >
> > While I recently visited the construction site of a climbing hall which I am
>documenting for our local Alpenverein (www.bavaria360.de/dav) these guys had
>start to build the concrete walls and there were all these bright colours in our
>fall-sun at noon ... I couldn't resist and luckily I carried my 4-shooter with
>me ;)
> >
> > http://bavaria360.de/dav/101029_2.html
> >
> > Boy, I couldn't imagine how many things can move in such a short time, hehe.
>And yes, I know, next time I'll better take care of my shadows ;)
> >
> > Enjoy
> > Jürgen
> >
>

     

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[Wim Koornneef]

Hello Jürgen,

I fully agree with Dave about the safety issues, I had the same thoughts after the first view of this very nice panorama.
I don't think there is a lot of difference about safety regulations between The Netherlands and Germany so I guess it must be an attitude issue of the local builders ....

Wim

[John Riley-2]

On Oct 31, 2010, at 5:10 PM, texas360dave wrote:

> Nice panorama.
>
> Where is the Safety Engineer ?
>
> Safety Issues: Men not wearing hard hats, No handrails. Walk board needs toe rails.
>
> Men are not wearing fall protection devices.
> 1 Man are wearing tennis shoes.
> Other man maybe wearing steel toe boots not sure.
>
> Men near the crane are not wearing hard hats. Jobsite signage should have fence signs saying "Hard Hat Area".
>
> Vertical reinforcement rod pointing upwards do not have protective caps.
>
> Do not see industrial fire extinguisher. It might be hiding.

Well, after all, Germany IS the country that brought us the best "safety" training video EVER!  I present to you Staplerfahrer Klaus, Der erste Arbeitstag (Forklift Driver Klaus, First Day on the Job):  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVssz2VMJVM  If you have ever had to sit through some gruesome training video or driver education shock film, you will appreciate this.  Warning: very graphic, but obviously fake special effects.  As I understand it, they even managed to get the voice actor used in many real safety videos in Germany, lending an ever better air of verisimilitude.  Enjoy!

John

John Riley
[hidden email]
(h)864-461-3504
(c)864-431-7075
(w)864-503-5775

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